Forces of Order VS Forces of Chaos

If Spear and/or Garuda were strong enough to take out the Heart AND the Separatists.... why are they still here? Spear is corrupt, so half their Supers would change sides as soon as the battle started and Garuda are just a bunch of ego-centric billionaires who could do nothing but cower behind their flying fleet.

Kay, so I'm not actually so sure who would win for real in an all-out brawl between everyone...

But then, I think we're missing the real point here. Which is: how much more *awesome* would it be if all the forces of Spear AND Garuda got in on this? Frankly, if we're talking hypotheticals, I wouldn't want to see anything less!

Though I guess I'd be interested to see how, say, the Furies alone would go about tackling the combined members of the Heart and the Separatists. Can't say I reckon they'd win, but still. Small, feisty group of heroes vs. overwhelming adversity? Talk about classic!

Strength alone does not make victory assured. SPEAR have the world's finances behind them, assistance from various nations governments and access to surveillance equipment beyond most people's imaginations, but ultimately, none of that matters if they don't have the average person on side and an informant on every street corner. I for one, am glad to live in a world where SPEAR haven't achieved some form of homogeneous victory of world politics,



I believe hiring practice alone for SPEAR actually weeds out the more corrupt individuals. Corruption is pretty self-defeating in an organization designed to maintain the status quo. In fact, the only high profile case that springs to mind is that of Vulcan and Volturnus,* and it's difficult for anyone to say with certainty what pushed them to their murderous rampage.

*the subject of a Who Would Win currently active, I believe.



I would perhaps as you to take a walk in some of the more...unsavory...parts of the world before declaring that Heart and the Separatists fight from the shadows. The very act of achievement separation requires that they make their case public and work on getting the average person on side. New Zealand almost certainly would have succeeded had Dr. Atom not acted in what he believed was a just way, and annihilated Australia. Not even so much as a decade ago, California held a referendum in which secession only narrowly lost. It was into THAT world that Heart was formed. If you think Heart and/or the Separatists exist in a vacuum of reality, you are clearly mistaken.





I have a fear that the majority of people would go into that situation expected the classical result, and would be very much disappointed when the heroes didn't win. Unfortunately for all involved, sometimes the bad guys win.

I'm loathe to break this news to you, but SUPERHUB isn't made up of representative samples of the World's Populace. Following the end of The Great Betrayal in 1956, I would argue that the vast majority of people are inherently inclined to push towards rooting for the people they agree with to win a bloodless victory.

I fear derailing yet another thread rife with debate with the musings of a blatant Internet Ogre. I am having to actively hold myself back from explaining that a VampWolf would just be a Vampire, given I'm fairly certain they're purposefully doing it to get a rise from me.

I have a classics degree.

Specialising in WEREWOLVES?

... Okay, sure, I'll buy it.